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Maybe one of us should buy a copy
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There are copies on eBay, they're cheaper than I'd have assumed
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Yeah, it's in my DVD collection...
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Ah.. Hemdale and Image...
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It think I have it.
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The image DVD?
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nope
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Does anybody have the 1997 DVD? I don't
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So the only releases we know to have had the huge Ellison credit were the 90s Hemdale transfers and the MGM ones.
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Though I'd be surprised if they didn't reshoot the credits earlier, they look of the time. I compared the two once, no errors or anything. Just differences in the scroll speed and maybe some spacing. A couple credits were moved out of the scroll.
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On DVD it was a novelty, on image there was, AFAIK one issue without it at all, and a release with the first version after or in the end credits, not at the beginning.
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It wasn't until the early 90s when Harlan got upset again around T2 that we finally saw the reshot text at the start of the credits
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The HBO transfer added a video text during the end credits IIRC
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Maybe the LD was before the DVD, and the porting technic was a bit sh*t...
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or was it the first Hemdale LD?
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I will say that the lack of an Ellison credit is not as much of a novelty as I thought. I think the Image LD was entirely missing it
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The German LD might be better, but this was an early DVD, it could have been a direct port
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That release is important though because it poked a hole in the argument that the previous HD transfer was the "correct" timing. I remember that there were people who said it was wrong, they were lambasted by others, how could the film have possibly been so teal? I reiterate, just because a remaster is flawed doesn't make the previous master any more accurate.
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The DVD is from the early days of that companies DVD days...
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Mhm... I wonder if the corresponding LD is a bit better... Not in color, but the technical transfer itself...
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... and they did not had Mr. 'Best transfer' in the world done it... Or so.Smile
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looking for the NTSC 3:2
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and was trying to manually IVTC it
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I only noticed the pattern because I totally forgot it was PAL
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I'd believe it. Maybe the equipment was not properly calibrated
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because if the source really is a German print, then that's the only thing that can explain a repeating pattern
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they just could not resolve well with the technology of the era. Heck, it takes a lot of work on our part to get them to resolve well in HD
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"Euro Pulldown with a missing field" is my working hypothesis at the moment
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Yeah. The good thing is it's a theatrical print. The bad thing is it's a theatrical print
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perhaps nicer than the open matte LD
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It's pure luck it even exists. It's good it does but as a home video transfer it looks subpar
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lol
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Maybe it is a secret code... The master guy was imprisoned in the company, and he tried to communicate via strange Interlacing and pull downs...Big Grin
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The ones that came from dual-subtitled prints with cigarette burns and everything
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it reminds me of those awful Hong Kong home video transfers of the 80s
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It is a shit transfer too, it is proof positive why it was mostly a BAD idea to telecine from a positive meant for theatrical projection. It may preserve the theatrical color in some respect, but it's skewed and washed out nonetheless
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I wonder if it's Euro pulldown with a field dropped
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it's repeatable
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I have an MKV of his attempt. Maybe he still has the avs script lying around
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there's a pattern in there
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I think we can definitely get it back to progressive.
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somehow he was able to sync it with the LD mono
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It is a weird weird transfer
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Chewtobacca tried to deinterlace it for me once. Some frames still had artifacts
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it's hard, zoidberg
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it's just so… weird
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Is it hard/soft telecine? Could be the frame flagging
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Agreed
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I don't dispute you but it makes no sense whatsoever for it to have been transferred in NTSC.
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Again it makes no sense, this is a German print. It has the optical overlay of the distributor over the Orion logo
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I find that particularly strange
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The active picture area is 480 lines high
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With PAL speed up.
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Of a German print
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Sometimes you can tell that the black bars on video are separate from the black bars on the print. It makes no sense it would be a conversion from NTSC because it is a German transfer
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The German DVD is electronically matted at about 1.55
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(And of course in true open matte you can see the frame overlap, which is outside of even the 1.33 aperture I believe
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I know that every time it cuts to an animatronic the matte goes away. I've even seen film cells with a splice from open matte to hard matte
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OK so it looks like Fantasy II shot their miniature work open matte too?
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Film cells being sold on eBay near this out
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I think mostly the Stan Winston animatronic shots
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The film is partially 1.33 or 1.22 or whatever open matte is
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rutracker.works/forum/viewtopic.php?p=67584745
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Can't access this at work... what does this page say?
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link?
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Yeah, on YouTube there is a small clip...
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Perhaps we can track it down
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Where did you hear about it?
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Wow, really?
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... Even if strong censored, it was even more open matted, compared to that DVD.
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I really would love to have the old Tele 5 airing...
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I don't know how the corresponding LD is...
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and I can more-or-less just cut it out of the frame and BAM 480 lines
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Indeed, but especially cool for me since my goal is to have an open matte NTSC DVD of it
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At least it is quite unique...Big Grin
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the active area of the image measures to just about 480 lines high
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I think it's 4:3 NTSC shoved into a PAL frame without resizing
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That transfer is interesting. I don't think it's really 1.66:1
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That may just be it
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2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:3
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Whoops, I meant Euro pulldown, not 2:2
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will play with it more tonight
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or perhaps I just can't spot 2:2 when I see it
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it's pretty strange to say the least
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rather than IVTCing back to progressive and then just flagging it as 25fps or doing 2:2 for 50i
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It's almost as if they took the NTSC master with 3:2 pulldown already applied and did an NTSC->PAL conversion as if it were video
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there's a "3:2"-like repeating pattern
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It's definitely interlaced, but it's not straight 2:2 like most 50i PAL sources
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Uhm... Interlacing, maybe?
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It's like something on top of NTSC 3:2 pulldown
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The combing is out of control and I can't figure out what's up with it
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Does anyone know what's up with that 1.66:1 German DVD release of Terminator?
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Mhm... I don't know every T2 LD in my Collection... Maybe I already got that...
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I think it was the final Laserdisc release (in the US) before DVD, doesn't pop up very often
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I do not know, if I have that LD... I think I have more of the old T1 LDs and fewer T2 LDs...
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It also has the TriStar Logo before the Carolco Logo. Just wondered if maybe the AC3 had a bit more oomph compared to the DVD. I'll put a bid in if the price doesn't get daft
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Mhm.. at least it has a mono track that is not on the DVD...