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Proposal Predator 2 Widescreen 2.05:1 version
#51
I'm happy with what I have really, the 2002 DVD and the Bluray, but there are those out there that would probably show interest in this.

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#52
Yes totally read those, nonetheless I stand by having viewed the film in wider format on release week in France, and the Pal SE DVD looks like the only way I can recreate that format experience. Those movies shots flat before Super 35 set in all have formats problems, with people complaining about boom mikes on widescreen transfers et al. So something funky was definetely going on behind the scenes at the time. The Crow is similar with a different wider japanese transfer, The Punisher still have boom mikes on all transfers, I also read Batman, Batman Returns and Edward Scissorhands had problems etc.
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#53
Does anybody know if they Matte Flat prints to 2:35:1?
I thought it was 'scope' territory to keep resolution and light.
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(2017-07-24, 08:30 PM)Stamper Wrote: Yes totally read those, nonetheless I stand by having viewed the film in wider format on release week in France, and the Pal SE DVD looks like the only way I can recreate that format experience. Those movies shots flat before Super 35 set in all have formats problems, with people complaining about boom mikes on widescreen transfers et al. So something funky was definetely going on behind the scenes at the time. The Crow is similar with a different wider japanese transfer, The Punisher still have boom mikes on all transfers, I also read Batman, Batman Returns and Edward Scissorhands had problems etc.

That's almost always bad projection

Q. Please tell me why in big budget movies you can often see the boom microphone in the picture. I have seen it frequently in many big budget pictures. The cinematographer must be incompetent to not notice this, along with the editors. Why do they leave it in? (Paul M. Nowak, Farmington Hills, Mich.)

A. The Answer Man gets this question about once a week, and answers it about every six months. When you can see the sound boom in a movie, it is usually not the fault of the filmmakers, but of the theater projectionist, who has framed the movie incorrectly. All movies contain more picture area than you are ever intended to see, in order to allow the picture to "bleed" over the sides of the screen. Sometimes a boom strays into the "head room," but if the projectionist has done his framing correctly you will never see it.


http://www.rogerebert.com/answer-man/mov...n-04281996

and then carried over to bad framing of video masters. It's always exasperated by 1.85 films which give you more leeway. Scope films don't. Boom mikes at the top are almost never the filmmakers fault.

(2017-07-24, 08:40 PM)CSchmidlapp Wrote: Does anybody know if they Matte Flat prints to 2:35:1?
I thought it was 'scope' territory to keep resolution and light.

Not at that time. In the 50's they did with Superscope (close at 2:1):

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingss2.htm

which along with Techniscope (2 perf) were the primogenitors of Super 35.

A lot of the issues that we are seeing are just different framing of the IP and/or OCN with each new transfer. That happens a lot especially with films that are open matte since there will be extra info at the sides and top/bottom for even a correctly framed master. As for a 70mm being a different aspect ratio. Sure that could happen. A 1.85 film could be cropped to 2.20 or matted on the sides (ala Aliens) but those pics posted earlier in the thread by Mr Brown are clearly hard matted, even for non SFX shots. So cropped version or not, it looks like the film was meant to be 1.85

Also I note that video magazines at the time didn't complain about any changes when the US LD first came out:

https://www.widescreenreview.com/ld_deta...recid=3058
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#55
Thanks again PDB for sharing your knowledge good sir.
Ive still so much to learn about the history of Film Production on the technical level.
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#56
Huh this thread is interesting
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#57
This is just a saga now
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(2017-07-24, 10:08 PM)zoidberg Wrote: This is just a saga now

And I don't think it is over yet lol.
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#59
Yes it's funny cause the LD obviously as some boom mikes. Weird they didn't notice.

I appears there are three differentely formated Predator 2:

- SE R1 + BD both are the same master and are very tightly cropped, not making any sense to the framings.
- Early R1 & 2 DVDs I found a spanish DVD which is a different crop and color timing than the R1 SE, more opened. I think the first R1 release is probably the same master. This one seems to have the original color timing intact with very dark blue in the final cold room scene. It might be the LD master port, only in 16/9.
- R2 SE DVD9 this is opened on the sides all the way to the edge, and top and bottom adjusted to 1.78.

There are also some open matte HDTV airings, but with logos.
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Someone's selling that widescreen Japanese LD on facebook for $10. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...=155957696
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