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[Proposal] The Terminator Regrade (UK Virgin VHS and 35mm Frames)
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Project Info:
Ok this is in the proposal stage since I want to hear some thoughts about what to include with this project.

Long story short, Zoidberg made a cap of his UK Virgin VHS tape of T1.

Zoidberg's VHS Cap
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He said it was clearly from a release print since it had reel change markers. Now that doesn't mean that it is color accurate to a release print but it could be. So I compared it to the dozens of 35mm pics that Tservo and I had gathered over the years and the tape matches the 35mm frames very closely. I'd say they match some 80% of the time. That would make Zoidberg's tape the closest media to a release print that I have ever seen. The tape is still very, very green but unlike the current BD, brings back a lot of those Cameron blues, so the goal would be to take the colors of the tape and combine them with the luma of the BD with a little polish from the 35mm frames that have been collected. Hopefully the best of both worlds.

So I had to put this in the queue as a project.

The big question for me is what should I include on the audio side. I want to askew the 5.1 remix as it is terrible with its new gun sounds. So that would mean going with the mono soundtracks. With that in mind, here is the current list of ideas I have:

Video:
Take the colors of the tape regrade the BD and combine that with the luma of the BD for certain scenes and with a little polish from the 35mm frames that have been collected

Audio: (Very Tentative)

1. Image Laserdisc Mono  (Mono 2.0)

This is the old track that I believe is bendermac's LD and capped/synced/encoded by  zeropc, jj666, Chewtobacca

2. Chace Fake Stereo also from LD (Mono 2.0)

This is the "fake stereo" track that Stamper mentioned, MrBrown ripped and JerryShadoe synced. It's not really stereo according to Jerry's notes but the mixing does differ from 1 and 3 on this list.

3. MGM DVD Mono (AC-3 2.0)

crissrudd4554 points out that even though this is mono like the LD track, some of the sounds and mixing differ.

4. Image DVD Mono plus LFE (AC-3 2.1)

MrBrown points out this is an unique mix, different from the others on this list. Thanks to him for providing it.

5. German Mono 2.0

Thanks to MrBrown

6. French Mono 2.0

Thanks to MrBrown

7. Italian Mono 2.0

Thanks to spoRv

Contributors and Thanks:
Zoidberg - for the VHS Capture
TServo - for the 35mm frames
MrBrown- for the German, French, Image and other LD captures
spoRv- for the Italian cap
Stamper- soundtrack support
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What about the image DVD mono?

If someone want to make it international, I could provide the German DVD mono. (slightly censored cut, but no dialogue missing)

Also the 2.0 audio in french and english from the first French DVD release... (TF1)

I am no one able to sync anything, just could help with the said audio tracks straight from the DVDs...
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I think the two main definites here are the original laserdisc mono track along with the hybrid stereo track. Also, if it's any help, I have access to a rip of a Japanese laserdisc of the movie. I doubt it's any better if not worse than the laserdisc rip you have, but I think it's at least worth a peek. Just shoot me a PM if you're interested.
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I have the Image DVD if you need that ripped

Also, there was a French or German DVD released a while back in the 1.66:1 ratio that was taken from a print
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(2018-11-09, 09:22 PM)Bigrob Wrote: I have the Image DVD if you need that ripped

Also, there was a French or German DVD released a while back in the 1.66:1 ratio that was taken from a print

It was a German DVD.
Slightly censored when the Terminator cutted his eye...
It also has the german mono audio with original weapon shots...
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Is this the same as the German DVD shown here? The one that has the cigarette burns and has a teal color timing?

http://sd.caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php...eichID=221

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(2018-11-09, 09:22 PM)Bigrob Wrote: I have the Image DVD if you need that ripped

Also, there was a French or German DVD released a while back in the 1.66:1 ratio that was taken from a print

Interesting. My Japanese Laserdisc rip is actually also has a 5:3 aspect ratio.

[Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment02.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment03.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment2.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment3.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment04.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment4.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment05.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment5.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment6.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment7.jpg][Image: Terminator-5x3-jp-LD-Moment8.jpg]

Unless I'm mistaken, it seems to be an open-matte scan. It's quite interesting since the cigarette burns are also included.

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A shame there are Japanese subtitles overlayed on top.

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Wish I knew what the exact release is as well...
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(2018-11-10, 01:25 AM)Tylerdurden389 Wrote: Is this the same as the German DVD shown here? The one that has the cigarette burns and has a teal color timing?

http://sd.caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php...eichID=221

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Exactly. The one on the left, labeled only with "DE".
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Dek Rollins regrade was apparently based on 35mm sources: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Te...e/id/54412

I'd be very interested to know how this compares to the sources you have as it's currently my go-to version of the movie.
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(2018-11-10, 10:41 AM)Turisu Wrote: Dek Rollins regrade was apparently based on 35mm sources: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Te...e/id/54412

I'd be very interested to know how this compares to the sources you have as it's currently my go-to version of the movie.

Mine was a single pass with some scene specific changes, and I would assume PDB is going shot to shot with this. Either way, this will be great to compare with mine.

EDIT: As far as feedback on this proposal, I think it would be better to include the mono tracks as 1.0, since AFAIK it doesn't actually make a difference. The space saved would be small, but worth it IMO.
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