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Proposal The Abyss (1989) BD
#21
I noticed if you crop the logo, the format comes at around 2.1
If you crop further at the bottom, you might end up with a 2.39:1 version that is close to the actual Cinemax framing, with this being the SE. Interesting.
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#22
Yes indeed; cropping top and bottom will result in the same 2.39:1 aspect ratio found on DVD and Cinemax; I'm thinking to use AXN, cropped, for the extended scenes, instead of the other HDTV SE, because it seems it has better details than the other.
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#23
After watching both, I have to say I prefer the Cinemax color timing (new transfer). The AXN looks like old video, which it is.

After watching it, I think this transfer was originaly in SD, and made at the same time as the SE. Cameron probably did the letterbox version + 4/3 Pan&Scan + this 16/9 version at the same time. Funny this never came out on DVD. It's miles ahead of the ltbx master currently available.
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(2015-05-12, 07:15 PM)Stamper Wrote: After watching both, I have to say I prefer the Cinemax color timing (new transfer). The AXN looks like old video, which it is.

I respect your opinion; but I continue to prefer the AXN grading - I can't stand this useless and continuing trend to tealize everything that was once blue... again, IMHO!

(2015-05-12, 07:15 PM)Stamper Wrote: After watching it, I think this transfer was originaly in SD, and made at the same time as the SE. Cameron probably did the letterbox version + 4/3 Pan&Scan + this 16/9 version at the same time. Funny this never came out on DVD. It's miles ahead of the ltbx master currently available.

I don't think this was an SD, just a lower resolution than the one used for Cinemax; indeed, soft in comparison, but still, as you wrote, a lot lot better than any DVD, and color grading is right, in comparison to pinkish whites present in the DVDs, for example.
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#25
Yes, it's an awesome find. The VFX shots look amazing uncropped.
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(2015-05-12, 10:15 PM)Stamper Wrote: Yes, it's an awesome find. The VFX shots look amazing uncropped.

Yes, agree 100%... and think I was forced to watch it on a 15' LCD... just can't wait to watch it on a properly calibrated huge HDTV TV set - not less than 55', or nothing! Big Grin
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#27
Oh, when you see it on the big screen, you will see how soft it is. I think it's an HD upscale from a SD beta tape. Which is about the same quality as the beta.
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#28
I know that is softer than Cinemax, but tell it's an SD upscale seems an exageration... I mean, if it's really an SD upscale, it's really good - I compared it to upscaled DVD, upscaled any possible method (SR, PaNup and so on), and they are not on the same level; but I'm sure effective resolution is around 720p; I upscaled a 720p to 1080p, and they look almost the same, while the original 1080p has still some more details, though.
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#29
This is a brilliant project. Great Film, especially the Special Edition
Ive not seen any material from this film in HD, I up-scaled my DVD to 720p for my HTPC and to be fair it did not look good.
Really looking forward to your results, it's the only Cameron Movie I don't have in decent quality.
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#30
Finally I grabbed the SE 720p HDTV; it seems that this is the source of any other SE 1080i HDTV - apart AXN; so, it's better to have the "real deal"! Big Grin
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