Poll: Pick a Halloween 2020 resync!
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THE EXORCIST (1973) original mono, analogue
33.33%
5 33.33%
ERASERHEAD (1977) original mono, analogue
13.33%
2 13.33%
HALLOWEEN (1978) original mono, digital
26.67%
4 26.67%
THE EVIL DEAD (1981) original mono, digital
13.33%
2 13.33%
NEAR DARK (1987) original Ultra Stereo, digital
13.33%
2 13.33%
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[Proposal] Pick a Halloween resync!
#21
Hi. I apologize for asking about something a bit off-topic (I can't seem to send PMs), but I'm curious how that "Exorcist" video was created. I know it was done with Virtualdub. I ask because I'm planning to start making such videos soon-ish, as I've finally procured some video capture equipment. Some pointers would be nice. If it helps, if things go well, I might be able to handle some of the other jobs in the future. Wink (I've got most of the LDs from the poll.)

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#22
(2020-10-16, 05:28 AM)wilcof Wrote: Hi. I apologize for asking about something a bit off-topic (I can't seem to send PMs), but

You can't send PMs because turning up on a forum as a new user and bothering someone in a PM as your very first move is not only incredibly bad form, but literally against the rules. Incidentally, asking them the same question you were going to ask in PM in a thread about something that isn't what you're asking about isn't much better. The fact that you don't know this suggests that you've neglected to read the forum rules and just went straight to trying to PM me before posting here, which does not exactly serve you well as a first impression. There is even a dedicated "presentation" subforum which new users are enocouraged to post in before doing anything else, but no, you jumped straight over that as well. You don't *need* to post in Presentation, but you do need to read the rules, which you evidently didn't, despite apparently being here without posting for almost a year (going by the account creation date).


(2020-10-16, 05:28 AM)wilcof Wrote: I'm curious how that "Exorcist" video was created. I know it was done with Virtualdub. I ask because I'm planning to start making such videos soon-ish, as I've finally procured some video capture equipment. Some pointers would be nice.

It wasn't, it was done with AviSynth. There's not really a simple way for me to take you through the entire process from start to finish; you really need to research what AviSynth is, how it relates to VirtualDub, and how to get it to do what you want. The general gist is that you write a script in AviSynth (potentially using an editor with some realtime feedback like AvsPmod, though you don't have to), then potentially feed that script through VirtualDub to preview it with sound, then render the output if you want to make an actual stored video/audio file once done. AviSynth is essentially streaming an "avi" (or if you prefer, serving frames, hence "frameserver") to whatever output you use (e.g. VirtualDub, which is itself a frameserver, or something else like ffmpeg) with whatever processing applied that you've put in your script. So in this case, I was doing things like adding and removing frames of video (and cutting the audio to match), resizing and aligning the videos beside each other, and adding timestamps ("ShowSMPTE") and frame numbers for reference.

The good news is there's a crapload of info online (much of it on this forum, written by people who are far more knowledgeable and experienced) for you to read. I'm far from being an expert myself; if I can do it, so can you. I can give more specific help if you ask more specific questions, but please keep it elsewhere in either a more relevant existing thread or in its own new one.


(2020-10-16, 05:28 AM)wilcof Wrote: If it helps, if things go well, I might be able to handle some of the other jobs in the future. Wink (I've got most of the LDs from the poll.)

Thanks.

I'll be doing all of these anyway, just not all before Halloween. THE EXORCIST is kind of a s**tshow because it's missing massive chunks of the audio so it's going to need a lot more attention than some of the other resyncs I've looked at, and I want to do it justice. I may or may not try to do a slightly "easier" one (maybe HALLOWEEN) in the meantime, but we'll see. I have some Actual Life Priorities that also need attention at the moment so I need to make sure I'm not just sitting in a room fiddling with audio all month.
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#23
THE EXORCIST update: Now capturing 1993 US fullscreen LaserDisc 1007. Apart from possibly using this as a syncing reference, I may as well sync it to the Blu-ray and the now out of print fullscreen DVD, which I previous said I suspected was sourced from the exact same master (and seeing it now in front of me, I'm pretty sure I was right about that). But I'm very curious to see what this 1996 JP one PILF-2196 looks and sounds like, given that it seemingly makes no reference to Dolby Surround at all (just says it's stereo).

For patching purposes I'm most likely going to use the 48 kHz analogue stereo recordings even though - and indeed, specifically because - they will sound worse than the bit-perfect 44.1 kHz digital captures. I'm hoping this'll help a little with blending to the analogue mono recording, though the 1985 mono one will still sound worse because it's from an older and significantly more beaten-up print source than the much later 1993 disc. As expected, the side changes are in different places, which is of course good news because it means audio will not be missing from the same places.

Summary of THE EXORCIST LaserDiscs I have captured or will capture:

1985, JP [10JL-1007]
First fullscreen release with analogue mono that wasn't time-compressed (unlike 1983 US release 1007-LV)

1989, JP [NJEL-01007]
"Ever Green" reissue of 10JL-1007

1993, US [1007]
Digitally remastered fullscreen re-release, this time with digital Dolby Surround instead of analogue mono, I believe most likely sourced from the 1979 theatrical re-release's 35 mm Dolby Stereo track. I believe the video is functionally identical to or at least sourced from the same master as the fullscreen transfer on one side of the now out of print double-sided 1997 US DVD.

1996, JP [PILF-2196]
Digitally remastered widescreen re-release, which curiously only lists the audio as "stereo" and makes no mention whatsoever of Dolby Surround / Pro Logic. I'm wonder if it's a unique mix, strange as that would be, and if it is plain old stereo rather than Dolby matrixed it's most likely a better patching source for the analogue mono than the Dolby Surround track.
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#24
I'm beyond excited for that EXORCIST project. If there is any other formats or media you need captured, let me know.

I had considered seeking out the first VHS release in the green clamshell. It is mono but I can only imagine how degraded the VHS sounds after 40+ years. Still, if it would be helpful, let me know.
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#25
(2020-10-17, 04:15 AM)alinskey Wrote: I'm beyond excited for that EXORCIST project. If there is any other formats or media you need captured, let me know.

I had considered seeking out the first VHS release in the green clamshell. It is mono but I can only imagine how degraded the VHS sounds after 40+ years. Still, if it would be helpful, let me know.

I thought about that but I'd guess probably not: it's most likely from the same print as both the early JP LD transfers I already captured (1985 and 1989) so at best might give like less than 1 second of patching material at side changes, but probably wouldn't help with the far bigger problem of missing frames at reel changes.

I'm keen to hear this weirdo late JP LD to see if it's just basically the same as the Dolby Surround but with the branding weirdly forgotten, or if it's actually a different stereo track. I'm not even sure how I'd really know if it's plain stereo or matrixed, honestly, so if anybody's got a reasonably reliable method for figuring that out, I'm all ears. In the meantime I'm capturing some Genesis stuff and grumbling about missing the end of an auction for a PAL disc I really wanted...
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#26
Still waiting on that last THE EXORCIST source (PILF-2196) so looking less and less likely that'll be done in time for the end of the month but in the meantime my Criterion ERASERHEAD is here so I now have two HD video options for that and the analogue mono is captured (NDH-101) and I suspect the more commonly held one will be this one from Criterion rather than the previous UK release which has since gone out of print. I might look into that today to see if the analogue mono for this is as bad as the analogue mono for THE EXORCIST in terms of how many big chunks may or may not be missing from it. Could be that it too needs a major patch job, but I hope not!

Tempted to check out HALLOWEEN (AML-0040) as well but seeing as there's already a mono sync done for it, I should probably shunt it a little bit lower in the priority list and maybe focus on something like NEAR DARK, particularly if indeed ERASERHEAD is another tricky one. We'll see.
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