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Twister (1996) - Sync Info of Original 5.1 Mixes for new Atmos/Auro3d BD
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The movie was recently released in Germany by Turbine Media with a new Dolby Atmos and Auro-3D mix. They didn't include the original mix, instead opted for a DTS 2.0. No information what the mix is based. But since the movie was a native 5.1 mix I don't really care for 2.0 mix Wink

So here a the info if you want to add the original mix to the new Blu-ray, if you have it

European BD by Universal: No adjustment needed
North American BD by Warner Bros: delay of -959ms

As a bonus, here are the spectrum for the audio streams

EU Blu-ray Universal - DTS-HD MA 5.1 24bit
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US Blu-ray Warner Bros - Dolby TrueHD 5.1 16bit
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DE Blur-ay Turbine Media - DTS-HD MA 7.1 Auro-3D
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I wonder if the DTS 2.0 Mix is the same mix from the VHS/Laserdisc version?
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Dolby Stereo IS surround that unfolds to multiple speakers, so it probably is the theatrical track. Would be cool to compare the two.
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Twister was mixed 5.1 native so the 5.1 tracks are the DD/DTS mixes (with small volume tweaks for near field home video application).

Like other tentpoles of this era, there were Dolby Stereo analog mixes made for theaters without digital sound and for TV/video usage. Since Turbine try to include as many mixes as possible and don't usually resort to folddowns, the DTS 2.0 might be authentic.
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It was originally mixed in 5.1, BUT... were the DD, DTS and SDDS the same mix? And, if not, which one were used for this last release?
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(2021-08-29, 08:48 PM)spoRv Wrote: It was originally mixed in 5.1, BUT... were the DD, DTS and SDDS the same mix? And, if not, which one were used for this last release?

Dolby Digital and DTS theatrical mixes were made from the same uncompressed master mix tapes. The differences between them would be volume levels (to avoid distortion or range loss during compression) and bitrate (theatrical DD was actually 384kbps whereas DTS ranged from 768-1411kbps). SDDS OTOH, wasn't really documented well and the tracks themselves varied on a title by title basis. But according to some in the industry who worked on or engineered them, they were totally different beasts than DD/DTS and often had expanded custom tracks made specifically for SDDS prints. These mixes were made from the master recording materials and I believe they added/changed out SFX (not heard anywhere else) from a "SDDS sound library" to expand the sound field for 8 channels.

Nearly all SDDS master mixes created for tentpoles like this were not kept, as most studios always work from original recording elements (when available/surviving) and saw "no need" to preserve elements for a failed sound format (that ended up getting phased out by 2007, the last to use it was Surf's Up). Prints out there with SDDS tracks are extremely rare, and the equipment to play/transfer them are almost non-existent due to only industries/theaters having such equipment and most likely discarding them after they stopped offering SDDS or shut down.
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(2021-08-29, 07:28 PM)SpaceBlackKnight Wrote: Twister was mixed 5.1 native so the 5.1 tracks are the DD/DTS mixes (with small volume tweaks for near field home video application).

Like other tentpoles of this era, there were Dolby Stereo analog mixes made for theaters without digital sound and for TV/video usage. Since Turbine try to include as many mixes as possible and don't usually resort to folddowns, the DTS 2.0 might be authentic.

The 2.0 wouldn't be a fold down though, it would have been matrixed surround.
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As there were SDDS-8 and SDDS-6 mixes, the former were made "in house" at Sony, while the latter AFAIK still in house if production was Sony/Columbia, or just converted from the "main" mix that was sent to Dolby and/or DTS.

Again AFAIK no 6 (5.1) track was "upmixed" to 8 (7.1) - the contrary was true, were SDDS 8ch were folded down to 6ch - on the fly by the SDDS converters or in studio.

It is unknown how each movie released in SDDS-8 used the fold-down mix - I mean, in which percentage the LC RC channels were mixed in.
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