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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly International Cut/US Theatrical Cut (Quick Project)
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(2016-01-13, 12:19 AM)PDB Wrote: And since I have the 98 LD's PCM you gave me I can create a track for the 98 also.

This project was born mostly as a matter of frustration at the lack of the IC/TC

I realized after posting earlier that you also had the PCM track for the 98 LD, so you can do both versions with minimal edits (if any) to the 93 or 98 LD tracks.

My vote is for the true IC (i.e. 93 LD) since it has never seen a HD release (or even a DVD release for that matter).
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I agree; it would be awesome to see a true IC in full HD.
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(2016-01-13, 12:59 AM)Chewtobacca Wrote: I'll have a look through my archives.  I might have something better that you could use.  Wink

As I say with any project: any help you are willing to give, I am more then willing to accept Smile

(2016-01-13, 12:59 AM)Chewtobacca Wrote:
(2016-01-13, 12:19 AM)PDB Wrote: That way I can rebuild the soundtracks in PCM without too many edits.

Why exactly would you need to edit the '93 PCM?  Obviously, there are the differences between the Italian cut and the others, but are there also many missing/additional frames?  I know that the Mondo and the first MGM BD differ greatly in terms of which frames they have and am curious to see how the former compares with '93 LD.

The Leone films are very peculiar in terms of frame-count.  There are usually a few missing/additional frames here and there when comparing two different releases, but the Leone films differ markedly.  When you scrub through the Mondo and the first MGM BD, they often change shots at the same point, but the frames within shots are out of sync.  In other words, when the two are are in sync, the shot-changes occur at different points, so they appear to be out of sync when scrubbing through the video.  It's bizarre.

Well my 93 PCM is a raw capture. By that I mean it still has the MGM home video music, the trailer's sountrack, the silence of the side turnover and dead air where I swapped the LDs and at the end when the movie was finished. So at a bare minimum it has to be cut down and synced to the HD.

Otherwise what you point about the frame count is true. Shot changing at different points happens a lot. I compared the 4K, Mondo, 93 DVD and 98 LD and all have different frames here in there. You would think the 4K is the most complete but running against the 93 there are still difference and some in the favor of the 93. For example, in the 4K and Mondo, when Tuco is trying to hang Blondie, you see a shot of the cannon firing, a close-up of a wall and then the room collapsing. In the 93, it goes directly from the cannon to the collapse but the shot of the cannon last longer. You can see more smoke coming out.

When I cut the 4K down to the 93 I started off by trying to match and cut every frame perfectly. I quickly realized that was stupid and I should only cut out the shots that are missing from the 93. To remove one or two frames here and there defeats the purpose. All as long the sound is in sync.

(2016-01-13, 01:08 AM)DoomBot Wrote: I'm so looking forward to this, growing up was always the US theatrical cut for me. So the newly dubbed parts for the added scenes always bothered me since they obviously didn't match the younger versions of the guys. I was disappointed that all the editions after the dvd, didn't provide the theatrical cut. That's not to say i won't watch the other version, i just wannabe able to see this cut again.
So thank you PDB for taking on this project. Smile

Thanks Doom. Hope its worth it

(2016-01-13, 01:54 AM)jerryshadoe Wrote: I also grew up with the US theatrical and the newly dubbed parts always messed me up. Granted, I loved seeing all the "extra" footage but it would have been nice if the voices would have a consistent sound to them. Maybe when technology improves a little they could be re-dubbed again using samples of their "original" voices (from the time of original release, that is) or I'm just a dreamerTongue

I don't want to diminish the extended cut. I still think it great to watch with the extra footage but I want the option to not watch it too.

(2016-01-13, 04:05 AM)Lil Brutto Wrote:
(2016-01-13, 12:19 AM)PDB Wrote: And since I have the 98 LD's PCM you gave me I can create a track for the 98 also.

This project was born mostly as a matter of frustration at the lack of the IC/TC

I realized after posting earlier that you also had the PCM track for the 98 LD, so you can do both versions with minimal edits (if any) to the 93 or 98 LD tracks.

My vote is for the true IC (i.e. 93 LD) since it has never seen a HD release (or even a DVD release for that matter).

I agree. I think 93 is the way to go and then 98 later. Thanks again for the 98 track, BTW. Didn't think I'd have a use for it but now its going to be very important to this project.
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My pleasure.
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Also I noticed that the optical titles in the Mondo are inconsistent. Basically when it says Good, Bad and Ugly. For example, It will show Blondie riding on his horse in one shot and the next cut which is still from the same shot has different color timing. I assume its because of a different print being used or because of generational printing. So I'm going to try to color the inserts to better match the original shot.

Also I was greatly unsatisfied with the 4K inserts in the the torture scene, so I used shots from the old Extended Edition BD. The old EE had enough leeway to grade and match the Mondo, much, much closer. So its looks like I'm going to use the EE for a few shots here and there and only use the 4K if it re-grade works. Unless Chew finds a better source.

I can't express how crappy the 4K is.
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If you don't run into any unexpected complications, how long do you think assembling this will take you?
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Well if I know one thing I'm bad at estimates but the video for the 93 should be done this weekend. Figure a few days for syncing the audio and general cleanup. Do a video check and send it out to anyone willing to check. So maybe week and a half.
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It's about time I watch this movie again. So, I'm looking forward to this. Big Grin
By the way, I have the PAL version of the 98 DVD, if that would be of any use to you.

Slightly OT: Does there exist proper English subtitles for the Italian Cut (translated from the Italian dialogue)?
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(2016-01-13, 08:11 PM)PDB Wrote: Also I noticed that the optical titles in the Mondo are inconstant. Basically when it says Good, Bad and Ugly. For example, It will show Blondie riding on his horse in one shot and the next cut which is still from the same shot has different color timing. I assume its because of a different print being used or because of generational printing. So I'm going to try to color the inserts to better match the original shot.

The US/IC 35MM prints also have this inconsistency.

(2016-01-14, 06:55 AM)PDB Wrote: Do a video check and send it out to anyone willing to check. So maybe week and a half.

I'm happy to check it out.

(2016-01-14, 07:49 AM)IcePrick Wrote: Slightly OT: Does there exist proper English subtitles for the Italian Cut (translated from the Italian dialogue)?

That's a very good question. It would be great to have English subtitles that are a literal translation of the Italian script. To the best of my knowledge, they don't exist. We should seriously consider having someone fluent in both languages tackle this.
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^ Yes; I'd leave the optical titles.  The color change is a known thing.

Quote:Well my 93 PCM is a raw capture. By that I mean it still has the MGM home video music, the trailer's soundtrack, the silence of the side turnover and dead air where I swapped the LDs and at the end when the movie was finished. So at a bare minimum it has to be cut down and synced to the HD.

Oh, I see.  You just meant the standard editing that one always has to do with LD captures.   Thanks for clarifying!

PM sent about the Tuco shots.
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